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Rivalries / Rivalries Category Status
« on: December 02, 2007, 10:38:30 PM »
December 2, 2007
http://www.animefanlistings.org/updates/2007/12/2095/

Complete update on all forms received :kitty:

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People are allowed to run fanlistings even if they are not a part of TAFL (or TFL, for that matter) so even though it is not networked, it is their site and we can't tell them how to run their site :D Even if it might be inactive ;);;;;

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Rivalries / Rivalries Category Status
« on: November 18, 2007, 03:05:32 AM »
November 18, 2007
http://www.animefanlistings.org/updates/2007/11/2068/

Complete update of the category :hug:

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News and Announcements / Two Senior Staff Promotions!
« on: November 16, 2007, 06:58:54 PM »
Woooo! Congratulations Buruma and Shalott!! :)

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Rivalries / Check on form/Disregard form
« on: November 15, 2007, 07:33:51 PM »
[quote name='Larissa' post='220086' date='Nov 15 2007, 04:23 PM']Name: Larissa
E-mail: larissachamaATgmailDOTcom
Type of form: Finished
Subject: Code Geass - Hangyaku no Lelouch: Kururugi Suzaku vs. Lelouch Lamperouge/Lelouch vi Britannia

.... I think I sent the form in. o.O I don't actually remember.[/quote]

Hi Larissa,

Yes, you did send a finished form for this listing.

I sometimes think I sent in a form when I didn't either, so no worries! :)

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Rivalries / Rivalries Category Status
« on: November 07, 2007, 07:15:46 PM »
November 7, 2007
http://www.animefanlistings.org/updates/2007/11/2053/

Complete update on the category :notworthy:

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Rivalries / Check on form/Disregard form
« on: November 04, 2007, 08:54:57 PM »
[quote name='Mitzrael' post='218609' date='Nov 4 2007, 05:37 PM']... I think I sent the rivalry one under relationships *confused* so I might as well get this check. Sorry for the trouble Chisa ^^UU

Name: Saya
E-mail: mitzta @ gmail.com
Type of form: finished
Subject: Vampire Knight: Kiriyuu Ichiru vs Kiriyuu Zero

thank you ^^[/quote]

I have your form  :unsure:

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Rivalries / Rivalries Category Status
« on: November 04, 2007, 06:15:56 PM »
November 4, 2007
http://www.animefanlistings.org/updates/2007/11/2046/

Complete update on overdue listings, and replies to trouble e-mails :unsure:

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Rivalries / Rivalries Category Status
« on: October 31, 2007, 09:29:10 PM »
October 31, 2007
http://www.animefanlistings.org/updates/2007/10/2038/

Full category update!

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I hope you don't feel as if I'm attacking you (because I most certainly am not  ^_^) but I can't help but address some of your points.

[quote name='Veles' post='218047' date='Oct 31 2007, 04:01 PM']They do bring up alternatives to the situations they describe - an extra information box in the application form so that relationships between more than three characters can be described and documented and proved.  For 6 upcoming and 3 pending, they suggest the numbers be raised.  For codes, they suggest that the word "fan" be allowed.[/quote]

I must disagree with this; I can't find any alternative solutions in the original post; 'alternative suggestions' being defined as 'compromise' in my books  :D  The extra information box idea was posted by Mistress Puff, not the original posters. I also cannot find any alternatives voiced about the 6 upcoming/ 3 pending rule. An alternative suggestion would be, for example, telling us what exact numbers they would like the numbers to be raised to. As for the codes, asking for the word 'fan' to be allowed is simply asking for the rule to be lifted altogether (though actually, codes with only 'fan' on it are allowed in certain categories. We did not ban the word 'fan' altogether, we simply want the codes to not be ambiguous).

[quote name='Veles' post='218047' date='Oct 31 2007, 04:01 PM']Relationships- I agree. There are legitimate relationships out there between four or more characters, although as it was pointed out a lot of these can be applied for under characters (meanwhile a lot of them cannot, thanks to the group rule). A secondary textarea for more information about the relationship would make it easier for the staff to sift through them. If nothing is written in it without any legitimate proof of the relationship actually existing, why can't the staff simply ignore it or reject it? The staff already has the ability to reject anything they want without having to explain themselves, so I don't really see the problem here. Disclaimer: I am not a staffer at either fanlisting network and I also don't have a life, so I obviously have no idea what staffers have to go through at all. I freely and openly admit that. smile.gif[/quote]

If you are the only applicant, you will be approved, so no, we don't have the ability to reject anything without explaining ourselves ^_^ You are also always free to ask as to why the application was rejected as well, though I'd imagine the staffer would tell you the reason regardless (i.e. applying for a manhwa, series is too new, unapprovable subject for x reason, etc.)  As for the box idea, the thing with that is, as I mentioned before, is that it grants us the "god-status" that nobody wants, to allow us to determine whether the 4+ person relationship is legitimate or not. If we approve Person A for a 4+ relationship, but rejected Person B for a 4+ relationship just because we don't find it legitimate despite whatever proof Person B may have provided -- it honestly wouldn't be fair to any of you. The box idea (extra information field) itself is fine for helping the staffer with URLs and whatnot like at TFL, but for the 4+ relationships, it simply wouldn't be fair.

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[quote name='Chibi-chan' post='217569' date='Oct 28 2007, 04:29 AM']It's not even a rule that codes are a must, so basically, you could just remove all of them to get off troubles, and then make some when you have the time, I think (correct me if I'm wrong).[/quote]

That's completely true ^_^

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Rivalries / Rivalries Category Status
« on: October 28, 2007, 03:44:39 AM »
October 28, 2007
http://www.animefanlistings.org/updates/2007/10/2031/

Finished and overdue fanlistings update.

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Back again (just can't stay away?) I just want to elaborate on some more things ..

First off, it is most certainly understandable for one to become upset with a rejection, but what I personally find irritating is when people let off their steam in such a way that it may potentially hurt the person who DID get approved. Remember, we can only approve one person, and no, staffers do not gather together and conspire against people and decide 'we won't approve so-and-so any more fanlistings'. As an applications staffer myself, I must say that I really feel terrible rejecting people for fanlistings. It's definitely not fun, and I do not receive any thrills from doing it. Remember, the person who did get approved wanted the fanlisting just as much as you did.

On updating: If my memory serves me correctly, staff members are required to update their category at least once a month. Some staffers run more than one category as well, and trust me, they take up a lot of time. The last troubles update I did took me about three hours to complete, not counting the time I spent TC-ing a portion of the category myself. Applications could take even days because we truly do analyze every applicant and try to select the best one. Not only that, but considerable time is put in to research the subject to make sure that the subject exists, that the series isn't totally brand new, to find the proper Japanese names of the subject, etc. because not everyone provides links to sites with the information. Also, some categories are very small and do not need to be updated frequently and I'm sure the larger categories are already updated pretty frequently. Because of all these points, I feel asking us to "hurry up" is almost kind of rude. Like Lexa said, a great portion of the staff is made up of college/graduate students/people with jobs and TAFL cannot be our first priority.

Relationships: I know Mistress Puff suggested that maybe there be a box in the application form for people to 'prove' the relationship of more than four people is legitimate but the problem with this is that people will skew their arguments to make it sound more legitimate than it really is, because they want it. And it is also unfair to the masses: this would be the kind of thing that grants the staff "god" status, because how fair would it be if we approved Person A for one relationship with 4 characters, but reject someone else for another relationship with 4 characters because we believed we don't find it legitimate?

Last thing I want to say is codes. The process is like this: the Trouble Checker checks through the fanlisting and submits the list to the Troubles Staffer, who reviews the list and then decides which troubles are legitimate and which are not. Therefore, for a fanlisting to be troubled for codes, it has to pass (or would it be fail?) two rounds of judgement: both the checker and the staffer both agree it breaks the codes rule. This means it is not just ONE person who agrees the fanlisting should be on troubles, it's TWO. And besides, it's really not that big of a deal, is it? It's a very simple problem to resolve, the easiest way I can think of is to simply remove the code, which is about as easy as changing the update date on your fanlisting. Even various staff members have had their own fanlistings troubled for the code rule.

Lastly, from what I can tell by the posts made by other members of the board, nobody else seems too upset over staffer-board member relationships, which leads me to believe that the group who made the post is not, in fact, representing "everyone".

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Rivalries / Check on form/Disregard form
« on: October 27, 2007, 10:37:12 PM »
YourOwnGrave: I have your form ^_^ And I'll make sure to make a note about the URL.

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[quote name='Rosemary' post='217482' date='Oct 27 2007, 04:02 PM']It's sad to me that a double standard seems to exist where some fanlisting owners think they can say whatever they want to or about staff members and we are supposed to just take it, ignore it, or act like it doesn't hurt our feeling or bother us, but whenever a staffer makes any kind of comment, corrects anyone, or points out something that people should know (such as a rule or policy) it's instantly a sign that we're overbearing, mean, think we're better than everyone else, or showing favoritism.[/quote]

I totally agree with Rose here; I mean, we're not dumb, we know some of the things people have said about us behind our backs, and we wonder if anyone actually really expects us to not feel hurt by it. However, if it was the other way around, we're seen as tyrants.

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